All relationships experience tensions and sometimes that tension just has to come out.

We can't argue and fight forever.

At some point we have to learn to listen.

It's only when someone feels heard, can we move forward and make the relationship stronger?

The same is true for a society.

People want to feel heard. And right now, African Americans as a community

want to feel heard. There is work to be done at a societal level for sure, but that work also starts closer to home.

Each one of us, especially white America, needs to have some uncomfortable conversations.

One of the problems is most of us don't know how to start those conversations, even if we want to have one.

Over the past few weeks, I reached out to my friend and colleague David Harris to guide me and help me learn how I can start

uncomfortable and necessary conversations.

Here is one of them.

And this is a bit of optimism.

David, thank you so much for agreeing to sit down and talk. When we all heard the news of what happened to George Floyd,

and more importantly, when we saw the footage

of what happened to George Floyd,

I think it ignited something in this nation

that hasn't been ignited in many years,

that needed to come out. And I, for one, I think like many others, didn't

know how to respond. I struggle to find the right words to say and even how to start a difficult conversation and only through difficult conversations and through listening

will we learn to understand someone else's experience and not only is it essential for these difficult

conversations to happen as individuals, but organizations and their teams need to

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