Pushkin.

It's hard to read the news these days without asking yourself, how did we get here?

Fiasco is a history podcast for the co-creators of Slow Burn.

In our first season, Bush v. Gore, we examined an unmistakable turning point in American

politics, the 2000 election, which resulted in a high-stakes stalemate, ended with one of the most

controversial rulings in Supreme Court history. So if you're trying to make sense at the present

moment, check out Fiasco, Bush v. Gore. Listen on theHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

From Pushkin Industries, this is deep background, the show where we explore the stories behind the

stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman. The official start of summer is this Saturday.

But what kind of summer will this be?

Will we and our families be able to interact with others?

Can we have a backdoor barbecue under social distancing?

Can we go to a public pool?

Can we go anywhere?

What are the range of risks that it's rational to undertake in the middle of a pandemic?

Here to help us work through these questions is Dr. Julian Marcus.

She's an infectious disease epidemiologist and an assistant professor at the Harvard Medical School in the Department of Population Medicine.

She has been a forthright, clear, analytic voice trying to explain in practice what we can and cannot do and what our risks look like, specifically from the perspective of an expert

who spends most of her non-pandemic time, thinking about public health and its relationship to HIV-AIDS.

For Dr. Marcus, the central question we need to confront is, how can you have a life in the pandemic?

Julia, thank you very much for joining me.

The crucial issue that I'm focused on, and I don't think I'm unique in this regard,

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