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How To!: Good Morning, Destroyer of Men's Souls

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🗓️ 11 June 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

After Lin met Dave, their lives quickly became entangled. Lin joined Dave’s small business, made much-needed improvements, and charmed Dave’s family. The two also began a romantic relationship that lasted years. When it fizzled, Lin continued working at the company—and eventually uncovered Dave’s lies, deceit, and infidelity. On this episode of How To!: Carvell Wallace welcomes Nina Renata Aron, author of Good Morning, Destroyer of Men’s Souls, to share her own experience exiting a toxic, codependent relationship and explain how she came to terms with it. If you liked this episode check out: How To Do Divorce Right and How To Forgive Someone Who Isn’t Sorry Do you have a problem that needs solving? Send us a note at howto@slate.com or leave us a voicemail at 646-495-4001 and we might have you on the show. Subscribe for free on Apple, Spotify or wherever you listen. How To’s executive producer is Derek John. Joel Meyer is our senior editor/producer. The show is produced by Rosemary Belson and Kevin Bendis.  Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now at slate.com/howtoplus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm like, oh my God, like, please help.

0:02.3

Like, I wonder if anybody else is going through this.

0:04.9

Like, am I wrong for feeling this?

0:06.5

Like, I literally, I mean, honestly, this person, the way they were communicating with me had me feeling that I was crazy.

0:17.2

Welcome to how to, the show where people call in with their toughest questions and we find

0:21.6

the perfect expert to give them guidance.

0:24.1

I'm Carvel Wallace.

0:25.6

So I will not be the first person, nor will I be the last, to make the observation that

0:29.8

intimate relationships can be, let's say, messy.

0:34.5

I mean, sometimes the messiest ones are those that span years or even decades.

0:39.2

They might be on again or off again or they have hurts and then forgiveness and then more hurt.

0:45.4

And if you throw in addiction and abuse and maybe other toxic elements into the mix, what we

0:51.6

thought was a loving relationship might turn out to be something else entirely.

0:56.0

It's hard, or at least it can be hard, to get out of a relationship like that.

1:01.0

Like you still love the person or you think you do, and maybe it was like your fault a little bit.

1:07.0

And maybe if you stay, you can now figure out how to do it right, how to love them

1:10.9

into behaving better. But even then, it's hard to know what comes next if you do leave. Maybe this

1:17.1

relationship wasn't as bad as you thought it was. Maybe this was as good as it could get. And maybe

1:21.8

if you leave, you'll be consumed with resentment and regrets and grief.

1:29.5

And maybe it's just been too long.

1:33.0

Maybe this relationship is going to be stuck with you forever.

1:37.4

So, like, how do you move on?

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