What's up, whoa, that's good fan. Welcome back to the whoa, that's good podcast. Today is

a very exciting because y'all, I'm actually really excited about this. I'm a huge fan.

Actually, kind of fan girl whenever I first met you. I don't know if you remember, but

I was like, I love you. But we have on the podcast Jackie Hill of Harry. She is a author,

a poet. I will teach your artist. I'm pretty sure you're also like a rapper. You're a mom

and a wife. You're pregnant. You do a lot of things, girl. So welcome to the podcast. Thanks

for having me, Sadie. Yeah. No, I really am excited. I came over to you when I met you at

Jen Johnson's. Well, I already met you at Passion. I guess seeing you from afar, but I was like,

hi, I really want to preach like you. You preach with so much truth. I'm a big fan. And you're

like, thanks. And I remember you told me you're like, you do preach with truth. And that really

meant so much to me. Because I think sometimes we see people that are different than us and we're

like, oh, I want to be like you. And you just really set me in the way of like, hey, you're doing

you. And that's great. And that really meant a lot. So, so thank you. Yeah, man. I watched you

from afar. And I'm like, this girl, she's faithful. It costs a lot to be faithful. And so I just

always value that when I come across it. Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's true.

Well, we're going to talk about a few things. Holy earth and down is your new book. Have it right

here. It looks worn in from the way it's designed, but it's actually worn in. I just finished it

and it is so, so good. We're also going to talk about your other book, Gay Girl, Good God,

and your life. But first before we get to anything else, I have to ask you the question of the

one that's good podcast, what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given? Oh,

I don't know. I guess what comes to mind is my pastor when I lived in Chicago, he was, he always

used to counsel me about leadership. And he used to say, Jackie, your, your job as a leader is to

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