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Welcome to the Master Photography Roundtable part of the Master Photography podcast network.

You're joined by thousands of photographers listening to the show around the same journey to master their photography.

I'm Jeff Harmon, the host for this episode, and I'm joined by my friend,

longtime friend, Jim Harmer, Jim, welcome back to the show.

Hey, it feels like I'm coming home just right before we recorded this.

I just happened to be on Facebook and Facebook showed me a message from exactly six years ago today

when we were trying to get the logo right for the Phototaco podcast.

So really cool.

Yeah, that was, that was good memories.

That was those good times.

It's hard to believe when six years since that happened.

Yeah, crazy.

That is crazy.

Yeah, good, good show.

If this is Master Photography, but if anyone wants to go check out Phototaco,

I talk about it regularly here on the show and I have some good stuff going on over there too.

All right, let's get into the topic this week.

And I had to bring Jim on because I knew I was in over my head on this topic.

Mostly because I'm not, I'm a hobbyist.

I've been a hobbyist.

I don't have plans to change that.

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