How To! | Get Sweet, Sweet Revenge

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🗓️ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Jordan is mired in a bitter war over off-leash pups at an unofficial dog park. With pro-leash forces deploying fake signage, ambush videos, and questionable zip-tie tactics in a campaign of shame aimed at her fellow dog owners, Jordan is ready to take matters into her own hands. In this first installment of How To’s guide to becoming an antihero, Courtney Martin brings on writer, storyteller, and comedian Matthew Dicks to counsel Jordan in the art of getting even. (Read Slate’s Revenge Week spectacular.) A little treat: ⁠Jordan's pup, Ziggy! ⁠ Next week: How To Be an Ethical Hater. (Can’t wait for antihero guidance? Check out How To Be the Next Erin Brockovich and How To Confront a Crazy Neighbor (Featuring Tig Notaro). Are you carrying a petty grudge? Don’t get over it—we want to hear your story! Send us a note at [email protected] or leave us a voicemail at 646-495-4001 and we might have you on the show. Subscribe for free on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. The show is produced by Rosemary Belson, with Kevin Bendis. Our technical director is Merritt Jacob and our supervising producer is Joel Meyer. Special thanks to Sophie Summergrad. Get more of How To! with Slate Plus! Join for exclusive bonus episodes of How To! and ad-free listening on all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe from the How To! show page on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/howtoplus for access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.6	My therapist actually thinks my enemies list is great,
0:33.6	but what he did tell me was I'm concerned about the degree to which you enjoy
0:39.7	getting revenge on people. He's like, I'm not sure if that's the healthiest thing. I like my
0:44.3	therapist. But I do think that there's a certain level of joy and glee you should have
0:48.5	in defeating terrible people in the world with small acts of outrage and ridiculousness and silliness.
0:56.3	Welcome to how to. I'm Courtney Martin. We're living in a moment in history that feels
1:01.8	exhausting, frightening, frustrating. And if you're like me, you get angry at injustices big and small.
1:09.9	It's hard to know what to do with these emotions and whether it's possible to kind of make
1:13.9	things right on some level.
1:16.0	I'm not just talking politically.
1:17.4	I'm talking interpersonally.
1:19.2	Little stuff that just drives you crazy.
1:22.0	Where's the accountability?
1:23.5	Where's the catharsis?
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