Dana, we're going to talk about how to never have a pile in your house again, guaranteed, or your money back.

But how you can actually really, how you can eradicate piles, because I think we would both say as former messy people, yeah,

may there be a pile once in a while, yes, in our homes, but it does not, it doesn't have the same scare factor that it used to.

So we're going to talk about that. But before we get started, I want to ask you this question. Today, Dawn is joined by Dana from a slob comes clean,

an author, speaker, podcaster, YouTuber, and much to her own surprise, a decluttering expert.

A slob comes clean is the completely honest and never-ending story of Dana's personal deslobification process. She shares

the truth about cleaning, organizing, and decluttering strategies that actually work in real life

for real people. For those who maybe don't know you as well, if you're in the Take Your Houseback

course, you get to see Dana and I visit all the time. But I'm realizing that for a lot of our friends, if you're not in the course, you maybe not know. You don't know Dana as well.

And so, Dana, tell us why do you dedicate hours of your week every week to helping women

declutter and simplify their homes? Why is that a passion of yours? It did not start out as my passion. I'll just be

honest. I just wanted to be a writer. Like I wanted to be a writer and I wanted to write about

life and things. And the thing that was stopping me was my house. My house was a total disaster.

And I knew that if I started writing, I would throw myself into it like I do because that's my

personality. And so I was like, I'm going to get my house under control first. And I just couldn't.

And so I started writing about that, thinking that I was using it as a way to practice and like

learn about writing on the internet and all that. And here we are.

You know, it's like 14 years later and I'm still writing about it.

But now it has turned into my passion because what I discovered through that was that the reason I had always been unsuccessful before was that all of the advice that I heard was

coming from people whose brains worked very differently

from me because most of the people who talk about this are naturally organized and their

brains work very differently from mine. And so I had struggled with that. So as I wrote about it

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