Welcome to Conversations with John and Lisa.

I am Lisa.

Yeah, okay.

I am Lisa and I'm joined by my husband, John.

And we love hearing how the show is impacting you.

This week we've got a review from Steph Davis and this is what she says.

She said, I love John and Lisa's podcast.

It's encouraging, life giving and gives a different perspective.

Thanks for your honesty and being spiritual parents to many people worldwide.

And I can't think of a better complement, a better title to have than spiritual parents.

And because we both have a heart for people, I had somebody say something to, in regard to both you and I,

just recently they said, I don't know why, but I have this amazing trust for you and what you are saying.

And I looked at him and I said, that's because God has put in Lisa and I a father and a mother's heart.

And a father and a mother truly care about you.

There's a length of days thing.

We don't care about how big our ministry is, how successful we are personally.

You know, John, the apostle became a father and he said, my greatest joy.

Listen to this.

My greatest joy is that my children walk in the truth.

And I can honestly say that, you know, that's not always the way I was.

I mean, I was so success driven, so wanting to be out there driven in my younger years that sometimes the vision I oversaw what how important people were.

And it's so important, Lisa, that we as believers realize that this is God's heart.

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