This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello gang, how we doing? How we doing? There is an assumption that I think many of us make, which is that work and

spirituality, for lack of a better term, are necessarily, definititionally separate, even opposed. This is a huge theme for me in my own life and

in the content I create. How to bring the lessons I've learned from meditation,

psychology and Buddhism into the crucible of my work life.

How to be sanely productive, how to be ambitious without driving myself nuts, how to figure

out how much money is enough money.

My guest today has been thinking deeply about this stuff for

way longer than I have. His name is David Nick Turn. He believes that business can be

and these are his words an essential spiritual practice. He's been practicing and teaching

meditation for over 40 years. He's the author of a book called Creativity,

Spirituality, and Making a Buck and he hosts a podcast by the same name. He's an interesting dude. He began his a Stevie Wonder, Jerry Garcia, Lana Del Ray, Paul Simon, and many others.

He actually wrote that classic song, Midnight at the Oasis.

He's the guy who wrote that.

More recently, he's become an entrepreneur founding an online mindfulness-based education platform called

Darma Moon.

I found this conversation to be very helpful because I'm wrestling with a lot of this stuff

at the moment.

David Nicktern coming up.

First though, time for a little BSP, blatant self-promotion.

I am doing two informal weekend retreats with my friends,

7A Salasi and Jeff Warren.

We call them meditation parties.

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