Hi this is Hope.

This is Kagan from Washington, D.C. and you're left to no meat radio. Doug how are your push-ups before every shower going? You know they're going

pretty well I have been doing it. I don't see the big muscle mass

increase that I was hoping for but you know I guess that doesn't happen overnight.

I've definitely noticed that I can do more push-ups than I could before. That's for sure.

That's good. Yeah. The strength is... And you don't necessarily want muscle mass, right?

As an ultra runner? No, no. Maybe some definition but as a husband though you want as a

husband you know got to look good for my wife right yeah I don't I don't know the

push-ups are the way to get the to get the giant mass gains they might not land you on the cover of bodyboarding magazine.

Is that a magazine? I don't know. I'm sure it is. If it's not, we should start it.

So that's good. keeping the habit up.

Yeah and you know so we did a podcast a few weeks ago about habits and bridging the

app stream small steps and big change, right?

And one of the things you talked about

was something that Leo had told you about,

even if you weren't actually going to go for a run,

for example, he would put on his shoes and just walk out the door you know just to keep that keep that habit going keep that momentum going and so what I've been doing it there have been a couple times when I've been in a huge rush and it only takes a few seconds to do pushups but I've been just doing one or two and then getting up and going just so that I can keep that going keep the habit going.

That's good. I like that.

Yeah, and I don't think I would have done that before our conversation, so I'm glad I did.

There you go.

Thanks to Leo.

Thanks to Leo. Thanks to Leo.

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