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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

How to forgive

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2021

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Vox's Sean Illing talks with Elizabeth Bruenig about how hard it is to forgive, how to balance our desire for justice with our humanity, and about how the age-old moral framework of forgiveness has met new challenges in the modern forum of social media. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox Guest: Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig), staff writer, The Atlantic References:  “Not that Innocent” by Elizabeth Bruenig (The Atlantic; June 9) “The Man I Saw Them Kill” by Elizabeth Bruenig (New York Times; Dec. 17, 2020) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by:  Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey VP, Vox Audio: Liz Kelly Nelson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why is it so hard to forgive?

0:36.6

I'm Sean Elling and I write for Vox about politics and philosophy,

0:41.6

and I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

0:50.6

Intellectually, I can make a good case for forgiveness,

0:54.6

and I know from experience that I feel better when I'm able to do it.

0:58.6

And yet, more often than not, I don't.

1:02.6

I hold onto anger, I hold onto resentment, and it eats away at me.

1:06.6

A lot of us, maybe even most of us are like this, and it's not new.

1:11.6

It's never been easy to forgive, but I do think there's something about this moment in history that makes forgiveness even harder,

1:19.6

or at least harder to talk about.

1:21.6

The actual media is obviously part of this story, but it's more complicated than that.

1:26.6

A tweet by Atlantic staff writer Elizabeth Brunick got me thinking about this in a different way.

1:31.6

As a society, she wrote, we have absolutely no coherent story,

1:35.6

none whatsoever about how a person who's done wrong, can atone, make amends,

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