How do you make this shift?

The perspective shift from, this is harvest, not bad.

There are people who don't have Jesus.

They have some self-discipline.

They have systems in place.

They get outside help.

They get organized.

And then you can function.

But the joy, the joy comes from the Holy Spirit.

It is a fruit of the Spirit.

You can't do it without God's Word and His Holy Spirit.

Thank you. Holy Spirit. It is a fruit of the Spirit. You can't do it without God's Word and His Holy Spirit. So I don't know whether to stand up and cheer or to bow down for our guest today. Because let me just give you a little bit. Can you imagine having 10 children, homeschooling, and two sets of twins?

Right there. Just that. No. Like Abby, I've already put you on a pedestal. Like what in the world?

But you're writing books too? And you're a fitness. There's just so many things.

Go ahead. Fitness instructor. You didn't even finish that. Yes, a fitness instructor.

And we just found out a pickleball like 4.4.5 maybe. I don't know.

Not 4.5 yet. That's the goal. That's the goal. Yeah. But we have. 4.1. That's, you know, we're getting there.

We have Abby Helberstadt with us today, and she's written this great book. Hard is not the same thing as bad. The whole,

the title is intriguing. And so Abby, Dave and I are just going to sit here. We're going to put

you on this pedestal. Like I'm, I always sweat when I'm on like podcasts and what a great way

to start, Abby.

Let's tell people about your perspiration. My body just is like, release the hounds, no matter how not nervous I am. Because I'm not nervous right now, but it's just like a physiological response. I do the same. The thought of you putting me on a pestle like, this is so uncomfortable. I'm sure it was. I couldn't help myself. anybody that has a set of twins,

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