Well, in a room full of pastors like this,

I'm guessing that many of you are aware of a podcast

that debuted three years ago this summer,

called the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.

There were 12 episodes to this podcast,

and then there were some bonus episodes

that came out afterwards.

I guess he was just doing too well for CT to let it go. I'm glad they did the bonus episodes that came out afterwards. I guess he was just doing too well for CT to let it go.

I'm glad they did the bonus episodes because two years ago, this is July of 2022, there was a bonus

episode with Tim Keller. And I think it's the most valuable content of all the series. Such

good content with Tim Keller in that interview.

Tim, as you may know, went to be with Jesus in May of 2023. So this is, this interview debuted,

it launched less than a year before Tim died. And in the interview, they asked Tim,

how do you account for your own longevity in ministry?

You've had a long run.

You've done well.

And I think a number of people look to you as somebody who's endured well.

And let me give you some of Tim's response.

He says, earlier on in ministry, we got a room here of younger guys, some older guys,

he says, earlier on in ministry, one of the things that helps you continue to grow in grace

and frankly, not get an inflated ego,

not get blind spots, is Hebrews 13-3 fellowship.

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