How to Explain TMS
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 3 November 2025
⏱️ 19 minutes
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Summary
Do TMS and psychotherapy share a common mechanism? We talk with Owen Muir about how to engage patients with this magnetic therapy.
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Published On: 11/03/2025
Duration: 18 minutes, 43 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
Dr. Owen Muir is affiliated with Brainsway, Mind Medicine, Ampa, Magnus Medical, Neurolief, and Soinera Bio. Dr. Aiken has reviewed this educational activity and has determined that there is no commercial bias as a result of this financial relationship.
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| 0:00.0 | So on a great day, your brain is firing in a rhythm. |
| 0:03.5 | In every wonderful memory you've ever had, |
| 0:06.0 | your brain is firing in a rhythm that feels good. |
| 0:09.3 | That's being in sync. |
| 0:10.5 | And so the ability to re-synchronize your brain |
| 0:12.7 | so that you can get back into your life |
| 0:14.8 | and you can feel in sync with the world, |
| 0:16.9 | that generally lands with people. |
| 0:19.4 | And it has the benefit of being true. |
| 0:25.9 | Music that generally lands with people. And it has the benefit of being true. Welcome to the Carlythe Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:31.6 | I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:35.2 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of |
| 0:38.6 | every issue. In the summer of 2024, I set out to write a book about treatment-resistant |
| 0:48.7 | depression. I thought I had the material covered. Over the past 25 years, I've tried novel medications |
| 0:55.4 | and behavioral therapies for patients who did not respond to anything else. |
| 1:00.3 | Cramapaxol, cellicoxib, minocycline, omega-3, ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, but the book |
| 1:07.9 | took me down a different path. as new trials came out suggesting that medications |
| 1:12.6 | may not be the most effective way to get people out of these thick and difficult depressions. |
| 1:19.7 | Trials like ascertained TRD, which showed us what many have suspected from meta-analyses all along, |
| 1:27.4 | TMS, transcranial magnetic stimulation is more effective than adding aeropipyprazol to an antidepressant. |
| 1:36.3 | They randomized 278 patients with treatment-resistant depression into three groups. |
| 1:42.3 | The first got TMS, the second got Eopipyproprozole augmentation, |
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