All right, welcome on to dunked on we're taking a little bit of a different tack today with Perry Bacon Jr

as senior writer at 538 and what we're going to talk about today is how to consume NBA media

Generally when certain stories come out when sources are willing to give things to reporters

There is a motivation for that and Perry has done a lot of work on that in the political arena

And so I wanted to have him on to talk about just how you should read stories that have unnamed sources and what some of the

Methods and motivations behind those stories are and then later on at the end

We're gonna get into some of his ideas that he had for boosting minority hiring

So I wrote a column about that for the NFL

But I thought a lot of his ideas really good and applied to the NBA as well

So we wanted to talk about that. So Perry how are you doing man? I'm doing great. It's really great to be on with you

I would say first of all

You know, I've watched basketball my whole life

But I've learned a lot from hearing you and Danny discuss things

I'm a better watch your basketball that ever was before as a fan and so I'm grateful for the podcast has been really great

And I'm impressed with which even as a journalist as well

I feel like you become one of the people in the NBA everyone wants to hear from and hear about your views

Well, thanks about it. I appreciate that and I can say sooner things about you and your work in the political arena

So a quick caveat before we get started here. This is not meant to attack anyone's reporting in particular

I think we both really respect reporters

And I think we also both really know that unnamed sources are required for the news media to do their job

This isn't the oh you had another story with anonymous sources. This is those are totally unreliable

Why can't you get people on the record like that's not what we're gonna be doing here. So I think

...