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Hi I'm Michael Hyatt and this is lead to win our weekly podcast to help you win at work and succeed at life.

And today we've got some real help for you on a problem every leader faces

and many are afraid to tackle. What's that? Public speaking. It's a lot of people's greatest fear.

In fact, most people say they would rather die than

have to give a speech in public and certainly I felt that way for years myself.

But today I've got two special guests to introduce to you.

Pat Quinn is a master of public speaking.

He coaches business leaders to Olympic athletes,

to New York Times best-selling authors.

In fact, he's coached me on my speaking best speech coach I've ever had

by far and away. So Pat welcome to the show. Thanks Michael and we've also got

Pastor John Adams and he's one of Pat's top clients and he's going to get to some live coaching from Pat on one of his speeches.

So John, welcome to the show. Thanks Michael, I'd like to be here.

So I remember when Pat came in and we had to give a signature talk in front of Pat and it was several of us in our company that had to do that and I thought

I was I was never more scared you know like I was saying before we got on the show

today you know if you give a speech before thousands of people, you know, that's,

I wouldn't say it's easy, but after you've been doing it for a while, it's not that difficult.

But the biggest thing I fear is a small audience, and so to be in front of Pat, you know, this expert, legendary speech coach and have to give,

you know, sort of the opening to my signature talk, it was scary, but it was fun because

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