How to Drink Your Way Sober (Katie Herzog)

Hard Knox with Amanda Knox

Knox Robinson Productions

True Crime, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Katie Herzog is a journalist, podcaster, and author of Drink Your Way Sober, a candid and science-based look at alternative paths to recovery. In this discussion with Amanda they uncover answers to some hard questions. How do you break free from addiction when the standard treatments don’t work? Why might shame, denial, and even doctors themselves stand in the way of effective solutions? And how can rethinking what sobriety looks like open the door to resilience, freedom, and a life beyond craving? Drink Your Way Sober by Katie Herzog www.drinkyourwaysober.com Blocked and Reported www.blockedandreported.org Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.amandaknox.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠or ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠amandaknox.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: @amandaknox IG: @amamaknox Bluesky: @⁠⁠amandaknox.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Free: My Search for Meaning⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Waking Up Meditation App ⁠⁠⁠https://www.wakingup.com/Amandaknox Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	For ad-free episodes of Hard Knocks, subscribe at Amandanox.substack.com, where you'll also find access to essays, bonus episodes, and more. Enjoy.
0:15.5	I'm Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.
0:20.0	Music Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.
0:34.3	Today on Hard Knocks, I interview my friend Katie Herzog, a journalist living out of the Pacific Northwest.
0:38.8	She is the co-host of the podcast Blocked and Recorded and a former staff writer for the Seattle Alt Weekly, The Stranger. She is the author of the new book,
0:43.9	Drink Your Way Sober, the Science-Based Method to Break Free from Addiction. And in this episode,
0:49.8	we talk about the relationship between shame and addiction, how the abstinence-only model doesn't
0:58.3	work for everyone and what alternatives there are, and just general ideas about how to recover
1:05.1	and think about your identity as a person if you are experiencing addiction.
1:10.6	So I hope you really love this episode.
1:12.5	Katie is so smart.
1:13.7	And as always, a wonderful listen.
1:21.9	Katie, welcome to Hard Knocks.
1:24.4	Thanks for having me, Amanda.
1:25.7	It's good to have you.
1:27.4	I'm excited to talk to you.
1:29.2	You have a new book coming out called Drink Your Way Sober, and I say coming out.
1:34.5	But when is the actual launch?
1:36.4	September 30th.
1:37.6	Drink Your Way Sober, the science-based method to break free from addiction.
1:42.3	This is part a personal thing and a journalistic thing for you.
1:46.3	So I kind of want to tackle one, both at the same time.
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