So I think the only way humanly possible to have a conversation where you can approach

those questions, surface those questions, clarify those questions is to not make the conversation

about Donald Trump.

This is Sarah.

This is Beth, your listening to Pantzoo Politics, the home of graceful political conversations.

Well Thanksgiving is this week and the question we are getting most often is how do I talk

to my relatives who are fully on the Trump train or any relatives?

And so today on our episode we are going to catch up on the news and then we are going

to share our thoughts on how to tackle those Thanksgiving conversations.

The first thing that we want to tackle as we get into the news is this whole kerfuffle.

I don't know if kerfuffle is the right word but yeah.

That's not strong enough.

Yeah, a little stronger than that I think.

Crisis is that I don't know, crisis is too strong.

We're like Goldilocks over here.

We need something between kerfuffle and crisis.

It's the Trump administration.

That's the word we're looking for.

There's a situation involving a Navy SEAL and I'm certain that you've heard about it

at this point.

What I think the situation really illustrates is that there is no branch of the administration

where process really flows in a regular way so that people can just make decisions.

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