Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology and Dr. All. My guest today is my friend,

Josh Porter, who is a writer, pastor, and former frontman of the art punk band Showbread.

After years of loud music and louder questions, he now teaches and writes about radical discipleship,

faith after deconstruction and the subversive way of Jesus.

He is the author of the outstanding book, Death to Deconstruction,

and his recently released book, How to Die. The subtitle is Chaos, Mortality, and the

scandal of Christian discipleship. Josh also pastors at Van City Church in Vancouver, Washington.

So please welcome back to the show, the Wonderly, Josh Porter.

Music Washington. So please welcome back to the show, the Wonderly, Josh Porter. All right, Josh Porter, welcome back to Theology Draw. How are you doing this fine morning?

I'm great, man. Thanks for having me again. Yeah, I think there's like the third,

third or fourth time. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to like, uh, break some kind of record.

Whatever, whatever the current record is. I'm trying to break it. Who holds our record?

Cottery. Is that, uh, Joey? Joey's got to hold that record, right? Maybe Jay Newman's coming

up there too. Okay. Yeah. That's why I was like a smoking robe or whatever on Saturday Night Live. There's like a five

club. All right. So Josh, how I always like to ask pastors, how is ministry going going? Are you

still a pastor and still a Christian? Probably not in that order, but, uh, because those are both worthwhile questions to ask.

Yes, to both.

I am still a pastor.

I'm still a Christian.

I like to make these defiant claims about things that I can't possibly promise

along the long trajectory of lifetime because I can't predict the future. But, you know,

I always tell people, it's like, when I'm dead, they'll go like, man, he really stayed a Christian,

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