Your church comes to you each week to fill their cup. But when the crowd leaves, who's filling yours?

That's exactly what I'm here to do with my new podcast from Focus on the Family. It's called

Pastor to Pastor with Dave Stone. I'm so excited to help you navigate the unique challenges

that pastors face in their ministry journey, both personally and professionally.

So I invite you to listen and subscribe to pastor to pastor wherever you get your podcasts.

It's just another opportunity to understand dynamics of how do, okay, we have marriage scenario,

now we have another project scenario. How do we share respect and how do we interact and how do, okay, we have marriage scenario, now we have another project scenario.

How do we share respect and how do we interact and how do we engage in these types of new problems? So for us, it was really great because it allowed me to say, hey, you know,

I do care about the paint color in this scenario because it's important to you, right?

And that's how we should be in marriage. Things that are important to you should be important to me. And I shouldn't just poo-poo them and throw them to the side.

Well, that's Dino Patron, describing how marriage is a little like remodeling your home. And we're

going to hear more about that comparison today on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I'm John

Fuller, and thanks for joining us. John, I don't think I've ever considered how to apply interior design techniques to my daily life, my marriage, my family. But I remember Gene and I, we were remodeling. I think it's the only big remodel we ever did. And with good reason, right? It's a big deal. Yes.'s a lot more like the money pit than anything else. I mean, everything we touch broke, you know. And I'm looking forward to today's conversation because there is such an analogy between that remodel and what you're doing with your home and what you're doing in your spiritual life, your marriage and everything else. I'm looking forward to it. I am too. We have Ashley and

Dino Patron with us today. Dino is a software engineer and Ashley is an interior designer. They

have four children and a podcast and there's a website. There's a lot here that the Patrons do.

The podcast and book are called Designed to Last, Our Journey of Building an Intentional

Home, Growing in Faith, and Finding Joy in the In Between.

This is a terrific book, and we're going to encourage you to get a copy from us here at the

ministry.

The link is in the show notes.

Dino and Ashley, welcome to focus on the family.

Thank you so much for having us. So yeah, like interior design and focusing on your family,

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