Hello and welcome to Nobody Panic with me Stevie and Tessa over here he's doing really well hello, you know, you introduce our lovely guest and then I'll say where I'm at.

Okay, so we've wanted to do this for a long time. We're really excited but also respectful,

but also it's going to be a good episode.

You will have heard of or read about or come into contact with the podcast Griefcast.

Be honest, I think most people will have will have just come into

contact with you in general and her name is Carrie ad Lloyes. I wonder the

streets constantly touching she's so nice

she's a street launderer she's said Iian, you've been on pretty much every panel show,

Salt of the Earth, of course.

Improver, if you're off-fay with the award-winning

and groundbreaking work of ostentatious if you like

him for up the seven people listening seven people in the country that's not true you

they're queuing around the block for you they are they love you. And of course the upcoming book which is sort of come from

grief cast has been a big sort of platform for it but the book you are not alone

which is all about grief and your experiences with it and what

you can kind of like help how you could help like other people how you can talk

about it and before I come to you though carrier head and Tess is already crying. I didn't make her cry. No, Carreyer did not make

me cry. I'm so sorry everyone. Moments before the podcast began, I apologize to Carreyad that she asked me to go on the podcast

grief cast which I was so honored to be asked and I became so overwhelmed that if I did

I felt like I didn't deserve to go on it and I didn't have I know people talk about such personal relationships and such important things and I felt so lucky I guess that I haven't had to go through it that I felt that it would be some kind of jinx if I did and then I started crying.

And then I said to you that's very common.

And then I felt so overwhelmed that other people had felt that as well.

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