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🗓️ 16 June 2025
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Ever struggled to turn your goals into lasting habits?
Unlock the secrets of behavior change with Katy Milkman, award-winning author of How to Change: The Science of Getting from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be. In this insightful discussion, Katy reveals counterintuitive strategies - from leveraging flexibility to temptation bundling - to overcome barriers like present bias and make positive change stick.
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0:00.0 | So have you ever felt frustrated by your inability to make positive changes stick? I know I have. |
0:08.0 | You set goals, you get motivated, you start strong, and then life happens. Old habits resurface, |
0:14.1 | and your momentum just kind of fizzles out. If this resonates, get ready because my guest today |
0:18.8 | will share surprising research on behavior change |
0:21.7 | that actually lasts. Katie Milkman is the award-winning author of How to Change the Science of |
0:27.6 | Getting from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be. She's a professor at the Wharton School, |
0:32.3 | the host of popular choiceology podcast, and a leading expert on why we so often struggle to turn our intentions |
0:39.0 | into lasting positive habits. In our conversation, Katie shares findings at up-end conventional |
0:44.7 | wisdom about building routines. You'll hear how allowing flexibility can actually increase |
0:50.8 | your chances of making exercise or other beneficial behaviors stick long-term. |
0:56.0 | And she also dispels the myth that incentives undermine intrinsic motivation for enjoyable |
1:00.8 | activities. But maybe the most fascinating are the powerful strategies that Katie reveals |
1:05.5 | for overcoming present bias, that insidious force that lures us toward immediate gratification at the expense |
1:13.4 | of our future cells. From temptation bundling to leveraging social influence, you'll gain |
1:18.8 | a bit of a roadmap for aligning your daily actions with your biggest desires and goals. |
1:25.1 | So excited to share this best of conversation with you. |
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