So have you ever felt a sort of an inexplicable pull towards something sacred or mystical,

even if you didn't fully understand it or didn't really consider yourself mystical or spiritual?

Kind of a magnetic draw that seemed to come from somewhere beyond the thinking mind.

Today's conversation with my dear friend and sometimes collaborator, Susan Piper,

is going to open that impulse, that feeling, that curiosity wide open.

So for over three decades, Susan has been exploring and chanting the enigmatic Heart Sutra,

one of Buddhism's most revered and paradoxical texts.

And in this rich conversation, she's going to initiate us into the suture's profound teachings on emptiness and permanence and the joy of letting go

of concepts entirely. Susan is a New York Times bestselling author, a Buddhist teacher,

and founder of the Open Heart Project. Her latest book is Inexplicable Joy

on the Heart Sutra. And she has this just unique ability to make ancient wisdom feel alive and

relevant to our modern lives. In today's conversation, Susan shares her surprising encounter

with a 95-year-old Japanese calligraphy master that revealed the

Heart Sutra's ultimate message in a way that she never saw coming, and how synchronistic

experiences seem to affirm this insight of finding joy through radical non-clinging.

So whether you're a long-time meditated or curious about a grounded sense of mysticism or spirituality or just new to these ideas,

it's time to have your perspective upended a bit in a truly delightful and insightful way.

Susan's teachings point towards just living with an open, awake presence that doesn't resist life's ceaseless change.

And we could all use more of that now.

So excited to share this conversation with you.

I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is Good Life Project. Moving money used to be slow.

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