How to Change for Good with Dr. Katy Milkman

Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

Being Well

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

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🗓️ 2 August 2021

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Though there’s no lack of advice out there, changing in lasting ways is hard. Today Forrest and Dr. Rick Hanson are joined by Dr. Katy Milkman, an expert on the science of change, to explore how we can build better habits, sustain motivation, and change for good. About Our Guest: Dr. Katy Milkman is a Professor at The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Her research explores ways that insights from economics and psychology can be harnessed to change consequential behaviors for good. Katy is the author of the bestselling new book How to Change: The Science of Getting From Where You Are to Where You Want to Be, and is also the host of the popular podcast Choiceology with Katy Milkman. Support the Podcast: We're now on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link. Watch the Episode: Prefer watching video? You can watch this episode on YouTube. Key Topics: 0:00: Introduction 2:30: Why is it so hard to change? 5:35: Using Rick as an example of changing a habit. 10:10: Short-term costs vs. long-term benefits. 13:45: Are we more motivated by carrots or sticks? And which sustains motivation better? 21:00: Fresh start effect. 24:00: Our bias against change. 27:30: Making internal changes. 30:30: How much can we change our nature? 36:00: Changing internal factors. 41:15: Tracking the things you’re trying to change. 45:00: Nature vs. nurture. 48:30: Durable behavior change. 55:30: Recap Sponsors: From Dr. Hanson: The Foundations of Well-Being brings together the lessons of a lifetime of practice into one year-long online program. Podcast listeners can use the code BEINGWELL25 at checkout for an additional 25% off! Please don't hesitate to apply for a scholarship if you're in need. Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month! Want to sleep better? Try the legendary Calm app! Visit calm.com/beingwell for 40% off a premium subscription. Connect with the show: Follow Forrest on YouTube Follow us on Instagram Follow Rick on Facebook Follow Forrest on Facebook Follow Forrest on Instagram Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Being Well, I'm Forest Hanson.
0:11.0	If you're new to the podcast, this is where we explore the practical science of lasting
0:15.2	well-being.
0:16.2	And if you've listened before, welcome back.
0:18.8	Whether it's developing some new inner strength, fostering good habits, altering our behavior,
0:24.4	maybe even understanding ourselves better or relating differently to the world around
0:28.1	us, this podcast in many ways focuses on change, how we can grow and change for the better
0:34.0	over time.
0:35.0	Though there's no lack of advice out there, change is hard and one of my fascinations
0:39.4	over the years has been how we can support people in changing in lasting ways.
0:44.1	That's why I've been really looking forward to today's episode where we're going to be
0:47.8	exploring changing for good.
0:49.9	I'm joined today as usual by Dr. Rick Hanson, so dad, how are you doing today?
0:53.8	I'm doing great in this whole topic is right at the center of my wheelhouse, so I'm really
0:58.7	looking forward to learning from a world class expert about it.
1:02.2	Yeah, so today we have the pleasure of welcoming, as you said, an expert in the science of change,
1:06.8	Dr. Katie Milkman.
1:08.2	Katie is a professor at the Wardens School of the University of Pennsylvania, and her research
1:13.2	explores ways that insights from economics and psychology can be harnessed to change consequential
1:18.1	behaviors for good.
1:19.9	She's been named one of the world's top 40 business school professors under 40 received
1:24.2	a variety of awards and had her work covered by NPR, the New York Times, the Washington
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