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How To! with Mike Pesca

How To Change a Mascot Without Tearing Apart Your School

How To! with Mike Pesca

Peach Fish Projects

Education, How To

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The town of Dartmouth, Massachusetts is in the middle of a mascot debate that's escalated quickly. Our listener Keith grew up there and his kids attend the high school in question. He's been vocal about his support for changing the school's Indian warrior logo but is wondering if there's a better way to solve this issue than trading barbs with the opposition. On this episode of How To!, we bring on Maulian Dana, Penobscot Nation tribal ambassador, one of the four federally recognized indigenous tribes in Maine. Maulian helped lead a decades-long effort that resulted in Maine banning all state schools and colleges from using Native American mascots in 2019. She has some practical tips to help Keith, and all of us, fight for what we believe in — without tearing our community apart.

If you liked this episode, check out "How To Stop a Fight Before It Starts."

Do you have a problem that needs solving? Send us a note at howto@slate.com or leave us a voicemail at 646-495-4001 and we might have you on the show.

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0:00.0

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0:23.7

Coming to headphones near you on April 17th, with a first guest you won't want to miss, available wherever you get your podcasts. You know, I found myself having more sleepless nights than I can remember. And it starts to wear on you a little bit and you start to get tired and you end up talking

0:37.5

about it so much. It becomes an us versus them. Welcome to how to. I'm Amanda Ripley. We're all

0:47.2

pretty accustomed by now to ugly politics at the national level. But increasingly, as the

0:52.6

culture wars heat up, it can feel like these

0:55.2

fights are happening uncomfortably close to home. More and more local policy debates that

1:01.7

should be kind of boring seem to turn into full-blown feuds. Think Hatfields and McCoys.

1:08.6

Suddenly our neighbors, the same people we wave to in the grocery store

1:12.3

and sit next to in school plays, start to feel like our arch enemies. A version of this is playing out

1:18.6

now in the historic coastal village of Dartmouth, Massachusetts. The town seal, which dates back to

1:24.5

1893, reads in Latin, service through kindness and peaceful means.

1:29.9

But that's not how things have looked lately.

1:33.4

Which is why our listener Keith reached out.

1:36.1

He grew up in Dartmouth and went to the very same high school his kids now attend.

1:40.7

But he feels like the school's mascot needs an update.

1:43.8

We're the Dartmouth Indians, and the logo is a sort of a bust of a Native American sort of

1:51.6

in the traditional, I guess, warrior look.

1:55.0

There's been talk over the years of replacing it or retiring it, and there's always been a lot of, you know, tension in the school

2:03.6

committee and whether or not to do that, and we never have done it. There are a lot of vocal

2:08.1

town members who would like to keep the mascot, and then there are also a group that are

2:13.9

looking to change it as well. Keith is in that second group, the one that's fighting to change the mascot.

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