How To Catch A Spy: Saving The U.S. From A Soviet Attack

The FOX True Crime Podcast w/ Emily Compagno

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True Crime

4.8 • 708 Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The year was 1988, and the United States was in the midst of heightened geopolitical turmoil with the Soviet Union. When retired U.S. Army Sergeant Clyde Conrad was suspected of espionage and arrested by German authorities, the FBI began interviewing Roderick Ramsay as a witness. However, one nervous tic would lead investigators to uncover that Ramsay was a co-conspirator, and provided the Soviet Union with confidential military secrets that could have changed the course of the Cold War. Former FBI Special Agent Joe Navarro was able to detect Rod Ramsay's lies. He reflects back on the 42 interviews he conducted with him and shares how he was able to bring down the dangerous Cold War spy ring. Later, Joe debunks common myths and misconceptions when it comes to reading body language. Joe Navarro spent 25 years with the FBI and remains one of the world's leading experts when it comes to body language and nonverbal communication. An author, speaker, and educator, Joe has written many books about his career and expertise. In his book, Three Minutes to Doomsday, Joe details the riveting story behind the espionage case of Rod Ramsay. Follow Emily on Instagram: @realemilycompagno If you have a story or topic we should feature on the FOX True Crime Podcast, send us an email at: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:32.9	When you're hiding something, what's your tell?
0:37.2	Do your hands shake?
0:39.3	Do you gulp?
0:41.3	Perhaps you cock an eyebrow, avert your eyes, start to sweat.
0:46.3	Do you fidget or rub your hands together?
0:50.3	Maybe you even let out a nervous laugh. You might not even be aware of the ways in which your body communicates
0:58.0	that it's under stress from what you're saying or what you're hearing.
1:03.0	Former FBI Special Agent Joe Navarro is fluent when it comes to reading body language.
1:09.0	Thanks to his expertise and his tireless efforts,
1:12.8	he was able to uncover aspiring
1:14.6	that would have changed the course of the Cold War
1:17.6	and brought an end to the United States.
1:21.5	And it all began with the quiver of a hand holding a cigarette.
1:26.9	I'm Emily Campano, and this is the Fox True Crime podcast. The year was 1988
1:46.0	Ronald Reagan was president, and the United States was in the midst
2:05.6	of heightened geopolitical tension with the Soviet Union. Special Agent Joe Navarro was assigned
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