How to Catch a Fascist: Antifa vs. MAGA
Gaslit Nation
Gaslit Nation
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🗓️ 11 February 2026
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
As Gaslit Nation has long warned: our institutions are complicit. Nazis infiltrate police departments, protecting an elite pedophile ring–protected by the FBI and DOJ. What can the American people do in a time of elite criminal impunity? Enter antifa. As investigative reporter Christopher Mathias reveals in his new book To Catch a Fascist, the solution is self-reliance and tenacious research skills.
As Mathias explains, antifa does exist, haunting Donald Trump's nightmares, and has been a force of resistance throughout American history. Antifa is part of a long tradition in America, composed of LGBTQ people, neurodivergent people, the working class, and other everyday Americans–operating in a hyper-localized decentralized network.
Mathias details how activists have unmasked neo-Nazis through Open Source Intelligence (OSINT), infiltrating online and offline groups, hacking, posting "meet your local Nazi" fliers in communities, and citizen investigative journalism. One researcher read 60,000 tweets just to find a single biographical detail to out a Nazi hiding in the dark.
As we'll cover in future episodes, antifa's strategies can also apply to outing Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators who think they can continue hiding from justice. Just as the NAACP's Walter White investigated lynchings in the 1920s when the police protected their friends in the Klan, citizen researchers can map the flight logs and financial ties of Trump and Epstein's friends. If the FBI and DOJ continue to protect billionaire lawlessness, we must create a social cost for corruption and predatory elites. If the Department of Justice won't unmask the villains, then it's up to us to do it. "We protect us" is the rallying cry of liberation movements, of neighbors helping neighbors against corruption and institutional failure that protects predators in power. As Gaslit Nation has long warned: it's up to us to save us.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Gas the Nation. I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the historical thriller Mr. Jones. |
| 0:18.7 | The film The Kremlin doesn't want you to see, so be sure to watch it. |
| 0:22.1 | This week's guest is the great investigative reporter, Christopher Matthias. |
| 0:27.4 | Yes. Hi, hi, hi, hi. He's out with an amazing new book that you have to read. It's called To Catch a Fascist. |
| 0:35.2 | It is documenting the network of ordinary people across this country |
| 0:40.4 | risking their lives to unmask the white supremacist terrorists, hiding and not hiding so much |
| 0:47.9 | in our police departments, school boards, and elected offices, obviously ICE. |
| 0:55.1 | It is an absolutely essential read for the times we find ourselves in today. |
| 1:00.5 | Welcome to Gaslit Nation, Christopher. |
| 1:03.2 | What a wonderful introduction. |
| 1:04.4 | Thank you so much, Andrea. |
| 1:05.3 | Thanks for having me. |
| 1:06.6 | I'm so grateful for this. |
| 1:07.9 | So what led you to write to catch a fascist? |
| 1:13.6 | Yeah, so back in 2017, I was a reporter at Health Post, |
| 1:18.0 | and I had started to cover the far right a little bit, |
| 1:24.3 | but it ended up in Charlottesville on August 12th, 2017 for the Unite |
| 1:32.9 | the Right rally, which of course, you know, infamously, was one of the largest white supremacist |
| 1:38.1 | gatherings in a generation, and it ended with a neo-Nazi driving his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather |
| 1:45.3 | Hire. |
| 1:46.2 | So, you know, when I got back from Charlottesville, you know, my editor at the time was like, |
| 1:51.1 | this is your beat now. |
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