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The Strength Running Podcast

How to Build Fatigue Resistance with the Coach of Both UTMB Champs, Scott Johnston

The Strength Running Podcast

Jason Fitzgerald

Fitness, Sports, Running, Health & Fitness

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Scott Johnston is one of the top coaches in the world, especially in mountain and high alpine sports. He's worked with Killian Jornet and recently coached both winners of the most prestigious trail race on Earth, UTMB (Tom Evans & Ruth Croft).

He's also author of one of my favorite training books, Training for the Uphill Athlete and founder of the Evoke Endurance coaching group.

This conversation focuses on fatigue resistance: 

  • What is fatigue resistance?
  • Local vs. global fatigue
  • Top workouts to build fatigue resistance
  • The role of the nervous system in fatigue

Scott's wisdom has helped the best runners in the world reach the top of the podium. I know it can help you, too. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Ready, set, go!

0:04.4

This is episode 425 with the coach behind both UTMB victories this year,

0:10.6

author of Training for the Uphill Athlete, one of my favorite training books,

0:14.7

and multiple endurance sport expert, Scott Johnston.

0:29.4

Welcome to the Strength Running podcast.

0:32.3

We surround you with the same experts as pro runners.

0:35.3

So keep listening to hear coaches, physical therapists,

0:38.5

strength experts, dietitians, sports psychologists,

0:44.0

and other thought leaders give you the best guidance possible to take your running to the next level.

0:44.8

I'm your host, coach Jason Fitzgerald.

0:46.9

I'm a former cross-country and track athlete for Connecticut College.

0:50.3

I've been coaching runners since 2010, and I'm a former columnist for Trail Runner magazine.

0:55.7

You can learn more about me and strength running at strength running.com.

1:00.1

This podcast is only possible with the support of some amazing partners.

1:04.3

If you enjoy the show, please support us and our partners so I can keep publishing episodes.

1:09.7

We are supported by Lever, a body weight support system that helps you return to running after an injury,

1:15.6

or increase your mileage, with less injury risk.

1:18.6

Now, you've probably seen pro runners using Lever.

1:21.6

It attaches to any treadmill, and you hook into it like a harness.

1:25.6

It effectively makes you lighter, enabling you to run more

1:28.9

volume than you normally could with reduced injury risk, or it helps you return to run after an

1:35.4

injury. Lever allows you to do more running with less risk. So maybe you want to build more

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