Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Ellen's Service Budcast.

Okay, today is our episode, mostly about drinking, but also my favorite line that really encompasses

this episode and my end up in the title, we don't know, is we talk about how to create a life

that you do not want to escape from. Look, we have really honest discussions about, you know,

mental health and the, you know, Amanda is a therapist and obviously her book is about, it's a guide

to creating like a sober life that you love and that you're happy in, but not everybody listening

to this has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. So we really discuss like the different types

of relationships. Yeah, and understanding like, you know, how healthier and healthier

relationship alcohol is and if you're using it to escape from your life and ways to kind of see

that more clearly and I think just kind of helping bridge the gap between this all or nothing,

know some game where you have to either be this extreme alcoholic or you never drink.

And yeah, Sarah and I want to be clear, you know, Sarah and I have been investors in alcohol

companies continue to be and we are not not endorsing alcohol. We're not saying you should quit

alcohol. We're just opening up the conversation because we believe everything should be able to

be questioned. I think at the end of the episode, you'll really come away knowing that it's really

everyone's personal choice and so you'll figure out what your healthiest life is and maybe that

life involves alcohol, maybe it involves it more minimally than you thought or maybe it involves

it not at all. Maybe there's a program you want to be connected to and maybe there's not

and it's not for us to decide. Yeah, I think in this episode we learned it's it's it's it goes so

much deeper than just like I'm drinking because I want to get fucked up or I'm drinking because I

want to this like we go to like the core of of why people feel the need. Yes, it goes much deeper.

Okay, we have Amanda Wade here. Now Amanda, this is an episode that we've had a lot of requests

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