or is not something beautiful and lovely. It makes us strong. It makes us strong. And it's not just

bungee jumping in the Grand Canyon or big dramatic African safaris or, you know, deep sea diving,

although you can find it in all of those things. You can see it in your own potting beds. You could

see it in the park down the street if you're watching like I am at the moment.

There's a little tree hollow where these little lorikeet parrots have just had little babies

and watching them every day. And you can see it in the extraordinary decency of a neighbor.

It's in ultimately expanding. It connects you to other people. And it is the very best of who we are.

So have you ever been so deeply moved by witnessing an act of grace or moral beauty that it

viscerally shook you? I remember one night in New York at the height of the pandemic when the city

felt like kind of the

scariest place on earth. Every evening at 7 p.m., my window and millions of other windows would

fly open at a thunderous roar would erupt across the streets as New Yorkers cheered and banged pots

and screamed their thanks for the healthcare workers risking everything for us. Just the sound of that collective

gratitude would bring me to dears. And in moments of shared awe in elevation, I was reminded

how grace cuts through hatred and suffering and fear restoring our belief in humanity's highest potential.

So have you ever felt that undeniable physical uplift and psychological

uplift in the face of someone's simple decency or profound mercy or an act of a complete

stranger, maybe even you? If so, you know the power of grace. Wouldn't it be nice if we could

access that feeling, that state more or less on demand in everyday life?

My guest today is Julia Baird, award-winning journalist, best-selling author, and a host of The Not Stupid podcast.

Julia has spent years studying and writing about one of life's most profound, yet often overlooked experiences.

The mysterious force called Grace. In her latest book,

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