Hello, this is Jeremy Bowen, the International Editor of BBC News, and I'm here because I want

to talk to you about an event I'm doing with Intelligent Squared on the 2nd of November in London,

and I'm going to be talking about the more than 30 years that I've spent reporting on major

events in the Middle East with my great friend and colleague over many, many years, Justin Webb.

And I'm sure we'll talk about a few other things as well, Justin and I started at the BBC on

the same day in 1984. So, if you'd like to join us either in person or online, then visit

IntelligentSquared.com to find out more. Welcome to Intelligent Squared. I'm producer Catherine

Hughes. On today's episode of the podcast, we're going to hear the stories behind some of the

most significant hacks in the cyber world's recent history, and why we should all be more aware

of our digital security and how it works. Joining us is Scott Shapiro, who is the Charles F.

Southmade Professor of Law and Philosophy at Yale Law School, and director of the Yale Cyber

Security Lab. Our host for this episode is Karl Miller, research director at Demos and author of

The Death of the Gods, The New Global Power Grab. Here's Karl with more.

Welcome to Intelligent Squared. I'm Karl Miller, and today I'm honored to be joined by Yale

Law Professor Scott Shapiro. In his recently released book, Fancy Bear Goes Fishing,

Break in the Incident and Five Great Hacks, he takes us on an exhilarating journey through the

world of cybercrime and hacking, revealing the captivating stories behind five extraordinary

hacks. They have left an indelible mark on our information society. From the audacious exploits

of Fancy Bear, the elite hacking unit within Russian military intelligence to lesser known yet

equally astonishing incident scotch as light on the origins, motivations, and consequences

of these remarkable cyber intrusions. Today we'll be discussing the vulnerabilities that lie

within our digital infrastructure, while our whole lives really, and also questioning the legal

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