Shame comes up so frequently with my client and with money in general, right? It's not just like my clients who are coming to me to have these types of conversations. It's also as I know you know and can see and can hear from other people. People are just dealing with it silently. And I love what you said about talking about it and bringing it up is the antidote to shame

because I completely agree. I think it brings us out of this isolation and sadness and

gloom that we can create ourselves when we start to spiral in our shame to think I'm the only one who's going through this.

Nobody else is going through this. I, you know, then the terrible things that you say to yourself,

right, start showing up to all of that negativity. And it forces you inward versus forcing you

outward where you can feel loved and appreciated even though you are going through

a hard time.

Hey, BAFam, it's your host Mandy Money.

I sat down with Asia Evans this week.

Asia is a financial therapist.

She's the author of a book called Feel Good Finance. And yes,

she is taking new clients, but only a few. So maybe if you like what you hear on today's episode,

you can go check out her website. I'll put it in the show notes. But Asia and I sat down to talk about

debt. And even just saying that word makes me want to throw up

my mouth a little bit. My relationship to debt is probably as dysfunctional as anyone else's.

And at this time in our economy, it's very common to hear pieces of personal finance advice

about paying down your debt, consolidating your debt, getting

your debt under control and saving. But if we can't get through the shame of even having debt

in the first place, then BA fam, how do we even start getting ourselves out of it? On today's show,

Asia and I are going to talk about how we actually get more comfortable being uncomfortable

and how that can lead us on a path toward finally paying down debt and releasing ourselves

from the shame of it. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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