Hi everyone, I'm Susie Weiss, and I've noticed there's just simply not enough podcasts in the world. So I'm launching my own. Let's go. Let's go, baby. Second Thought is a weekly show about pop culture. The stuff everyone's been binging, arguing about, obsessing over. Here's the thing about heated rivalry. I mean, even the most devoted swifties, I think we can agree, not our best work. We'll be hosting thoughtful conversations with culture's most important figures. Talk about genius.

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Coming to headphones near you on can agree not our best work. We'll be hosting thoughtful conversations with culture's most important figures.

Talk about genius.

Talk about generational talent.

Coming to headphones near you on April 17th with a first guest you won't want to miss.

Available wherever you get your podcasts.

Burnout is not just about, oh, I hated this job or I didn't like these people.

Burnout is about you.

There was something that your brain and body want to do differently.

And if you kind of go back into the fire, you're still going to be burned.

Welcome to how to.

I'm Amanda Ripley.

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struggling with right now, send them our way. You can always email us at how-to at slate.com

or send us a voicemail at 646-495-4001. We genuinely love hearing from you. That's how we find

most of our listeners, including this week.

Yeah, so I'm Betsy. I'm a Coloradoan. I like to ride bikes and play outside, and I have a dog,

and I'm looking for a job. The average person will spend around 90,000 hours at work over the

course of a lifetime. That's roughly a third of your life.

No wonder it can feel sometimes like you are your work and your work is you. Which is why it's so

upsetting when your job goes south. Betsy's worked for years as a photographer, educator, and

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