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How To! with Mike Pesca

How To Become an Expat

How To! with Mike Pesca

Peach Fish Projects

Education, How To

4.32K Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Before the 2024 election, Maureen and Jayna had hoped to attend a historic inauguration for Kamala Harris in Washington, D.C. But when Donald Trump won the presidency, the lesbian couple scrapped their trip—and booked a fact-finding mission to Portugal instead. On this episode of How To!, they talk with co-host Carvell Wallace about their plans to leave the U.S.—and start a new life somewhere they'll feel safer. And, Jen Barnett of Expatsi offers up advice about Portugal and other LGBTQ+ friendly countries, the implications for taxes and international travel (including return trips to the States), and what expat-curious listeners need to know about raising kids, voting, EU citizenship—and how to take the first step.

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The Expatsi Test

Mindful Migrant on TikTok

If you liked this episode check out: How To Uproot Your Life and How To Live Anywhere in the World.

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How To's executive producer is Derek John. Joel Meyer is our senior editor/producer. The show is produced by Rosemary Belson, with Kevin Bendis.

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0:00.0

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Talk about generational talent.

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Coming to headphones near you on can agree not our best work. We'll be hosting thoughtful conversations with culture's most important figures.

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Talk about genius.

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Talk about generational talent.

0:23.7

Coming to headphones near you on April 17th

0:26.1

with a first guest you won't want to miss,

0:27.8

available wherever you get your podcasts.

0:30.5

Maureen and Jaina are not currently married.

0:33.0

Is there an advantage to being married

0:34.9

to pull off a transition like this

0:36.3

or to not being married.

0:42.8

Great question. Okay, well, let me ask you this first. What do you want me to say?

0:50.0

I don't know. What does Jaina want you to say? I feel like this topic has come up before.

0:58.4

Welcome to how to. I'm Carvel Wallace. Coming up on the show today, we'll talk to a couple that is accelerating their plans to live abroad as a result of the 2024 election. But first,

1:04.4

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1:13.9

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1:20.5

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