How to Become a Pitching Nerd
Rates & Barrels: A show about Baseball
The Athletic
4.7 • 875 Ratings
🗓️ 9 January 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Eno, Trevor and DVR discuss their paths into becoming pitching nerds while pulling back to discuss the baseline metrics they care about, and digging into a few of the newer tools and numbers they utilize to analyze pitchers.
Rundown
7:45 What Are the Basic Things You Like to Know About Pitchers?
13:33 Year-to-Year Correlations of Pitching Stats
18:47 DIPS Theory & Other Changes Over Time
29:37 The Rise of Deeper Arsenals
34:58 Looking at Changes in Pitch Mix Over Time
43:34 *Newer* Pitch Details to Consider: Vertical Break
53:12 An Example of Seam-Shifted Wake
58:54 A Few Other Tools From Baseball Savant Pages
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Hosts: Derek VanRiper, Eno Sarris & Trevor May
Producer: Brian Smith
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Rates and Beryl. |
| 0:13.1 | It's Thursday, January 9th, Derek Van Riperino-Seres, Trevor May, Full House here with you today. |
| 0:18.8 | We've got a special episode. |
| 0:20.6 | We're calling this How to Become a Pitching Nerd. |
| 0:25.2 | And I think there's like a biography element to this real quick that we should get into. |
| 0:32.0 | Like, Trevor, when did you realize that you were a nerd about pitching? |
| 0:37.4 | At what point in your life or in your |
| 0:39.6 | career did it click? You're like, whoa, I'm more into some granular or detailed aspects of this |
| 0:46.0 | than other people around me. And you were surrounded by pros. You were there, right? At what point |
| 0:52.8 | did you know you were also a nerd? Well, I've known |
| 0:55.5 | my whole life that I was into the nerdier side of things, but it was about what was available |
| 1:00.8 | when it became really clear to me. My mom literally just gave this to me a few weeks ago. A big |
| 1:06.1 | box full of a bunch of stuff I did in high school, just some of my high school stuff. There's a big |
| 1:10.1 | binder and I kept every stat like what I could, I tried to remember everything that happened in the game, how many innings they threw, strikeouts, all the stuff. Of course, I probably embellished quite a few times. I used to keep my statistics since I was like 10, just because it was interesting. I just liked the aggregation. My wife calls it number go up. I love grinding things out. So when I play |
| 1:29.5 | video games and stuff, I play games that also a number go up. So it started there probably in high |
| 1:35.9 | school, I realized, I'm like, yeah, no one else keeps their stats. And this is an advantage. And then in ProBall, |
| 1:41.1 | you know, I was always interested in like, we have video and we have like the box |
| 1:45.0 | scores and stuff. But I was like, there's so many steps between correlation between like using |
| 1:49.1 | this stuff. And then when advanced analytics happened, started to get more used by teams. |
| 1:54.2 | And there was a room of nerds. And I realized I was spending more time in there than I was in the |
| 1:59.7 | locker room. That's when it was, oh, I'm, this is the way that I can get an advantage or this is the way that I'm going to become the best version of myself. I got to use this strength or this natural, like, interest I have. So that's when I really leaned to do it. But of course, then I just overloaded myself and had to figure out how to use it right. But yeah, so two phases, |
| 2:17.8 | high school and then probably was like 24, 25. It's changed a bunch of times along the way, right? |
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