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For most white people, I know that when something comes up, when your biases starts to show,

that you cram it down so hard and so fast and so deep

because you don't want to be one of the bad white people.

To sit there and actually sit with that is so uncomfortable.

Welcome to how to.

I'm Celeste Headley, author and longtime journalist with NPR and PBS sitting in this week. I have a question for you.

Do you think of yourself as a good person at heart? I mean, it's a fair bet most of us think we are.

You know, that we show each other's kindness and respect, no matter their age, gender, sexuality, or race.

But at the same time, these last few years have made us all aware that

we may have some biases hiding in our subconscious, influencing our behavior and not for the better.

More and more of us are thinking about the way we feel towards other people and why we feel that

way, including this week's listener.

Hi, I'm Tim, and I'm an actor.

So we wanted to start by telling me about a time maybe it's recently, maybe it's not quite as

recently, when you've changed your mind or maybe been surprised that

your mind has been changed by something. Has that happened with you, Tim? Yeah, yeah. I would say

the most striking one that I can think of is the way that my mind has changed and broadened

around transgender issues over the past 10 years.

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