Welcome to Let It Be Easy with Susie Moore.

Do you sometimes struggle to be idle?

To have true downtime, to give yourself a break, arrest, permission to just be? Well my friend you might just love this conversation with

author Tom Hodgkinson of the best seller for nearly 20 years now, How to Be Idle.

Tom is a editor and publisher of The Idler magazine,

an author of several books, course had to be idle and the Freedom Manifesto.

He was educated at Jesus College in Cambridge and he founded the Euler magazine in 1993. He likes to say he

had his last proper job in 1997. How to Be Idle has been heralded as a literary gem. It's been translated into many languages.

And in this conversation, Tom and I speak about how difficult it is to be idle sometimes what that really means and even in our busy lives with many moving parts how we can still snatch and enjoy moments away for ourselves.

Tom is funny, he's brilliant and bright,

and I think you'll really enjoy this conversation.

I give you Tom Hodgkinson.

Tom Hodgkinson, a long-term reader here.

Welcome to the Let It the Easy Podcast.

Thank you, Seezy, and I can see you got a nice paperback coffee of the American version of one of my books there.

I sure do. I can't tell you have any copies I've bought for friends, and there are different covers in different countries.

Oh yeah there's different you know it's been published in I don't know it's like 20 or 25 countries.

Wow and you know what I wrote it 20 years ago today? I was going to say that. We're coming up to the

the 20 year anniversary next year I think right? Yeah it was I yeah it was published in

2004 but I actually actually roasted in 2003, so, yeah, so 20 years ago, I would have been,

well, I think I would have been asleep actually at this time, I was thinking about beer.

But earlier in the day, for me, it's five o'clock,

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