Today, we're sharing a conversation from the Oprah podcast with author Shaka Sankor

about his new book, How to Be Free.

He and Oprah talk about escaping life's hidden prisons, the power of forgiveness, and what true

freedom feels like.

A16Z co-founder Ben Horowitz also joins to reflect on Chaka's journey and its lessons for leadership and growth.

Let's get into it.

Hey there, everybody.

I am so glad to meet up with you here on the Oprah Podcast.

And it is always my great hope that the conversations that you see here or listen to here

can serve to open or expand the aperture of your life.

And on this episode, I really hope we do that because we're exploring this question.

What does it mean to be truly free?

What would that look like?

And more importantly, what would it feel like inside yourself for you?

And consider asking yourself, what is holding you back from pure freedom? I'm here with best-selling

author, Shaka Sankor. Welcome back to the tea house. I'm so excited to be here and thanks so much

for having me. Ten years. Ten years. Our 10 year anniversary. It's incredible. Yeah. Let me tell

everyone listening and watching that Shaka and I first met here 10 years ago,

and as we were saying coming in, a lot of living has happened with both of us since then.

When I first met Shaka Sankor, it had been about six years since he got out of prison after serving 19 years, many of them in solitary

confinement for killing a young man when Shaka himself was just 19. It is one of my most memorable

interviews ever. We talked about his trouble life that led to that fateful day.

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