How to be an Anti-Patriarchist - with guest Levi Murray
Breaking Down Patriarchy
Amy McPhie Allebest
4.9 • 654 Ratings
🗓️ 17 September 2024
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Amy is joined by Levi Murray to explore the damage which patriarchy causes to men, how systems of oppression cultivate emotional immaturity and psychopathy, and discuss the ways we can heal the harms of patriarchy and become more fully ourselves.
Levi Murray is a native of New Mexico and has been living in Colorado for almost 20 years. Murray works as the community health dentist, practicing in Southern Colorado. He and his wife Barbara have four kids. His hobbies include running and engaging int he work of preaching anti-patriarchal theology, a work he says feels like a necessary part of becoming more fully human.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Breaking Down Patriarchy. I'm Amy McPhee, All the Best. One question I sometimes have, |
| 0:06.9 | as I'm doing this work, is how to recruit men. Breaking Down Patriarchy is a title that can seem |
| 0:13.7 | a little scary to some men. And many male friends actually have let me know how wary or |
| 0:20.4 | defensive and honestly honestly sometimes even hostile |
| 0:23.5 | they can feel when they're asked to engage on the topic of sexism. So I feel that one of my |
| 0:30.9 | core strengths is my ability to empathize with and see the good in almost any human being. And so I tend to approach men |
| 0:39.3 | gently and reassuringly. But then on the other hand, I have to ask myself, at least in some cases, |
| 0:46.3 | am I going too easy on men? I want to be hard on systems and soft on people. But in trying to thread that needle in a way that doesn't scare men |
| 0:56.8 | away, am I going too soft on the system of patriarchy? Well, one conversation that helped me recently |
| 1:03.8 | was a conversation with one of my favorite past podcast guests from season three, Levi Murray. |
| 1:09.9 | In a nutshell, he told me that there is really no |
| 1:12.4 | reason I should be treating patriarchy with kid gloves, and that one of the reasons for that |
| 1:17.5 | is that patriarchy actually hurts men so much, too. I had been wanting to dive into that topic |
| 1:24.9 | more deeply, how patriarchy affects men. And as Levi and I conversed, I realized |
| 1:29.6 | that he had some insights that were completely new to me and totally fascinating. So I am very |
| 1:35.6 | excited to welcome back to the podcast, Levi Murray. Welcome, Levi. Thank you, Amy. So happy to be back |
| 1:42.0 | with you and honored to be invited back for another episode to join you and your listeners. |
| 1:45.9 | Thank you for the invitation to come back. |
| 1:48.0 | I'm really excited about this. Like I said, you've been on the show before and on your first episode, you coined the term, at least for me, anti-patriarchist, which I have incorporated into my vocabulary. |
| 1:59.2 | I loved that term. But for listeners who missed your |
| 2:02.0 | incredible first episode, which was actually on female archetypes in Mexican history, |
| 2:06.9 | can you tell us just a little bit about who you are and kind of how you arrived at the work |
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