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Guy Kawasaki's Remarkable People

How to Be a Purposeful Warrior to Preserve Democracy with Jocelyn Benson

Guy Kawasaki's Remarkable People

Guy Kawasaki

Education, Business, Society & Culture

4.5679 Ratings

🗓️ 27 August 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

What happens when the Secretary of State becomes a target for standing up to the most powerful person in America? Meet Jocelyn Benson, Michigan's fearless Secretary of State who has faced down violent mobs, presidential threats, and assassination lists—all while protecting democracy and voting rights. From her undercover work investigating the KKK as a young journalist to her current run for Michigan governor, Jocelyn embodies what it means to be a "purposeful warrior" in her new book of the same name. In this gripping conversation, Guy explores how Jocelyn transformed from a scared 20-year-old confronting white supremacists to a Harvard-trained election law expert who refuses to back down from bullies—even when they occupy the highest office in the land. 

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0:00.0

From October 7th to 9th in San Francisco, the Masters of Scale Summit returns.

0:05.6

It's where the boldest minds in business, tech, and beyond gather to build the future.

0:11.5

And we want you to join us.

0:13.7

Here from the CEO of the New York Times, scientists using cutting-edge technology to find cures,

0:18.9

the leader of crypto powerhouse coinbase, a retired

0:22.0

four-star general, and many, many more. They're all on the same stage, and it's not just another

0:28.4

conference. It is the gathering for remarkable people. Apply to attend at masters ofscale.com

0:35.4

slash remarkable. That's masters of scale.com slash remarkable. That's masters of scale.com slash remarkable.

0:40.5

Do we stay silent or do we speak out? To me, being a purposeful warrior means being determined

0:46.0

to not stay silent in the face, particularly of injustices or bullies or other abuses of power

0:52.3

or authority. Because if we don't speak out, someone will fill that

0:56.8

void. But if we speak out, we may not achieve the end result, but as warriors, we can push for a

1:02.3

better response and we can inspire others to speak out as well. So standing up to bullies,

1:07.3

refusing to stay silent, recognizing that if I speak out, that's going to have

1:11.6

an effect on someone else feeling courage. That's how we become purposeful warriors. That's also how

1:17.2

we can take challenging moments in our life and find our warrior ethos and plow through

1:22.0

and to create that better place, even in a turbulent time.

1:30.9

I'm Guy Kawasaki.

1:37.0

This is the Remarkable People podcast, and we have found another remarkable person for you.

1:41.2

Her name is Joshua and Benson, and she's in the state of Michigan.

1:47.7

She's currently the Secretary of State of Michigan, and she's basically a really a recognized expert on election law and voting rights. She has been a steadfast defender of

1:56.8

democracy. Oh my God, yes. And lots of awards for doing the work she's done. She is overseeing

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