Don't hold anything too tightly.

Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the intention of real truth for you,

and then let it go.

For me our soul is like it's unbound.

It's limitless but we will use words to limit ourselves.

When people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming, we turn to ourselves

and that's where you become empowered.

Courageous participation attracts positive things.

I'm Gwyneth Paltrow and this is the Goop Podcast, where we bring together visionaries, scientists, healers, artists, and seekers.

I'm so grateful that I get to interview these extraordinary thought leaders and share their

wisdom with you.

And I love listening to the conversations that are led by my co-host and dear friend

Cleo Wade. Cleo is a beautiful poet and author. I deeply admire her and the way she keeps her heart open to the world.

Together we believe that engaging an open-minded, honest, and sometimes difficult conversations

has the power to change our lives.

All right, over to Cleo.

My guest today is Dr. Sue Varma.

Sue is a psychiatrist in the author of a new book called Practical Optimism.

She served as the pioneering medical director and attending psychiatrist at the World Trade Center

Mental Health Program, treating civilian and first responder survivors in the aftermath

of 9-11, which is the work that informed and led her to develop a framework for practical optimism.

As I told soon our conversation today, there were to develop a framework for practical optimism.

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