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I'm Brian Klaas and you're listening to Power Corrupts, the podcast where we shine a light

under the hidden and often nefarious forces that shape our world.

What would you need to know if you are planning to become a dictator?

That's what we're going to find out today. In a moment, we're going to speak to Gary Kasperov,

one of the greatest chess players of all time,

who now plots his next moves against Vladimir Putin.

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