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So this really cool thing is starting to happen where I'm working with a lot of guys. The guys are

kind of initiating this. I know it's coming from the wives,

but I'm starting to mentor them and coach them through a lot of these different situations. And it's evolving into like, hey, could you talk to my wife about this? And the wife's like, could you talk to my husband about this? And I was like, maybe it'd be really good if you two talk together. but sometimes it's helpful to have someone from the outside who kind of gets how

difficult the kids are, how this dynamic works. But what I'm loving is that the guys are really

taking a hold of this, right? And it's really changing things. So one of the things a lot of guys

struggle with is just how to have relationships. Like we're good at working, you know, we can work

our butts off. I can fix things around the house. But having a relationship with a, especially with

a more challenging child or with another human being for those of you who are engineers out there,

right? Or those of you, they're kind of on the spectrum yourself. It's hard. It doesn't come natural to you. So I wanted to share with you something that I hope you can share with maybe your spouse or if you're a guy listening. I hope this helps you. So this is kind of a bonus episode of the Calm Parenting Podcast. For those who don't know, I'm Kirk Martin, Celebrate Calm.com. Find us to Celebrate Calm.com. If you need help, reach out to our son Casey, C-A-E-E-Y at Celebrate Calm.com. We'll be glad to help you out. So I'm doing a lot of this mentoring now with people. And so I was talking to this dad, and he's like, I don't know how to relate to my 13 year old

daughter. Now, this could be with a younger kid. It could be with a boy. It doesn't matter.

But here's the process I went through in a very specific example because one thing I found is that

guys really like very specific examples. Like tell me exactly what to do

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