When Shona Murray went through a time of depression and discouragement, her father shared some good insight.

This wasn't just a spiritual issue.

There are spiritual consequences, but the primary problem is emotional, physical.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast with Nancy DeMoss-Swaglmuth, author of The Quiet Place for January 29, 2018.

I'm going to read some words here, and you tell me if any of these describe you or if you recognize

yourself in any of these words. Here we go. Overwhelmed, exhausted, depressed, panicky, stressed,

burned out, broken, paralyzed, drowning, empty. Does any of that feel familiar to you? Well, if so, you're not alone. Those are some of the

most common words that I hear today as I talk with women and some of the words that some days I feel

myself as I navigate my own schedule and my marriage with Robert. And so I was really encouraged to

come across a recently released book

that addresses some of these issues and how God can, with His grace, enable us to have a different

kind of experience, one that would be more peaceful and calm and joyful and content.

And, well, we're going to talk about that today with the author, Shona Murray, and her husband, Dr. David Murray.

So welcome to revive our hearts.

Thank you so much for joining us for this conversation.

Thank you, Nancy. It's great to be here with you.

Thank you.

And we've now already identified you to be experts on how to have a peaceful,

happy life, no problems. You've got that down, right? We're learning still. We've learned a lot,

and we've a lot to learn. Well, let me just tell you a little bit about the Murray's. David Murray is a professor of Old Testament and practical theology at Puritan Reformed Seminary in Grand Rapids. He's also a pastor and a counselor.

And Shona, his wife, they've been married over 25 years now. They have five children.

And Shona has been in the past a medical doctor and family practice. She's also an author

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