Hey there, it's Nick.

This is a sort of sequel to our 2014 episode featuring Darryl Davis, called The Silver

Dollar.

Be sure to listen to that one first before this one.

Thanks.

I've been thinking a lot, especially in terms of this election, and noticing like a really

substantial shift in how people talk to each other and how people argue.

For myself, I feel like just the rhetoric has just gotten so overheated and people feel

really threatened, you know?

And I think when people feel scared, they start arguing from this place of emotionality,

which is totally understandable, but it's also not very effective in terms of converting

people.

So I guess my first question is just kind of like, what specifically, in all the conversations

that you've had with these clan guys, what do you think that you do differently?

That a lot of other people don't.

I think what I do differently is I give them a platform to express their views honestly

in a safe place where, you know, they're dealing with their alleged enemy, a black person.

I give them a space in which they can express their views without fear of attack or retaliation

or whatever and allow them to discuss them and most importantly, have a conversation with

them.

You don't have to respect what they're saying, but you need to respect their right to

say it.

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