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🗓️ 6 October 2025
⏱️ 75 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome. I'm Kevin Miller. This is a podcast for your personal evolution. In this episode, |
| 0:07.0 | how to actually speak with clarity and intelligence. So we all know the saying and the truth of how |
| 0:13.8 | much we judge a book by its cover or get judged by our covers per se. I feel it's a dramatic metaphor for so much of our |
| 0:23.7 | human experience. And I don't minimize it either. I feel it's our responsibility to address our |
| 0:29.8 | book covers per se. And I feel we, in our culture, we give a lot of attention to physical |
| 0:37.3 | aesthetics of like a literal book cover, |
| 0:40.4 | whether it's how we look or the car we drive or the phone we have or the clothes we wear and on |
| 0:43.9 | and on. But I amazed myself with what seems to be a stark lack of attention to what's behind |
| 0:49.6 | these physical accoutrements. And a big one is how we talk, how we communicate. So my guest is |
| 0:56.9 | communication expert Michael Chad Hepner. So Michael is an adjunct professor at Columbia |
| 1:02.8 | Business School and the CEO and president of GK training, a firm dedicated to giving individuals |
| 1:09.4 | and organizations better communication skills. |
| 1:12.5 | He's a speaking coach to this incredibly long list of VIP organizations and people. |
| 1:20.1 | And he's a leader among a growing chorus of voices identifying the link between the physical |
| 1:26.9 | aspects of spoken communication |
| 1:28.8 | and broader issues of health and wellness. So he's got a new book titled Don't Say Um, |
| 1:34.8 | How to Communicate Effectively to Live a Better Life. But as you'll hear, the title's a bit |
| 1:40.9 | tongue in cheek and the concepts we discuss go way deeper than this cultural |
| 1:46.6 | habit of filler words like um or like and you know and how we speak often gets us judge for better |
| 1:54.8 | or worse much more than what we're actually saying and we're not it. We're so intent on what we are saying |
| 2:02.9 | and talking about, and we miss how we're delivering it and the power that has. But how we are |
| 2:09.4 | communicating really does belie in essence who we are. I mean, using filler words and not addressing |
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