Welcome to the Conversations that Matter Podcast. I am your host John Harris here for another

Cellphone on the Road edition to talk about the latest, the greatest, the hot off the

press breaking news from Over a Week

ago. That's right. This is an article from over a week ago in the Washington

pose about Karen Swallaprier and the Pro Life Movement and ending abortion and it was sent to me from actually John Cooper who has a great podcast called Cooper stuff you should check it out he talks about these things sometimes and he's a good guy in this whole

curfuffle between social justice activists and Orthodox

believers. But the reason I thought he had a he was on to something and thinking

this would be a good article for me to talk about is because it illustrates a

point that I've tried to make many times once again and that point is that the

mainstream media can we call it mainstream media that the lying propaganda

make media loves to use social justice activists within

evangelical circles to promote their cause. They know what tool to use to

get their job done and they've been using people like Russell Moore and

Cair and Swall and prior for years and they're not going to the Scott Clues

and dwarfs of the world or the Franklin Graham's or people who are

abortion abolitionists to write glowing pieces about them and what's

taken place over the last few weeks with this potential ending of Roe v. Wade

no they're going to go to the Karen Swaller priors of the world and I think the

reason for that is because they are credible

mouthpieces for the agenda that the Washington Post wants to promote. They can move the needle in the direction the Washington Post wants to move the needle.

They can make you feel isolated, feel crazy, second-guess yourself, feel lonely, because after all, someone who has pro-life bonafide,

who's got credibility in the pro-life movement, and he's a seminary professor in the Southern

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