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How the war looks from space

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🗓️ 6 April 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Rule No 1 in space is 'don't rock the boat' - and certainly don't talk about politics. But Putin’s bombs are visible from the International Space Station, and a war of words over Ukraine may have put joint efforts in space in real jeopardy.

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Guests:

- Col. Terry Virts (ret), former commander of the International Space Station.

- Jacqui Goddard, Miami Correspondent, The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana.

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0:00.0

Everywhere you look on the news, on social media, horrifying images of death and destruction,

0:12.0

a bleeding out of Ukraine, it's a war that can't be ignored, even it seems, from space.

0:21.2

People always say, well astronauts don't see borders, you know, let's hold hands in

0:24.6

St. Kumbaya, like back in the 60s. The reality is, I did see borders. I saw bombs going off in

0:30.1

Ukraine. You can actually see politics from space. For the past 23 years, the International

0:37.4

Space Station has come to be a symbol of cooperation between Russia and the West, but could wall

0:45.2

and escalating tensions on Earth spill over into space.

0:57.2

You're listening to stories of our times from the times and the Sunday times. I'm Manvin

1:02.7

Rana. Today, war from above. The view from the International Space Station.

1:16.4

The view of the planet is so spectacular and the first time I saw it in daylight,

1:21.6

I launched it four in the morning, we were flying over the North Atlantic and the sun was rising.

1:26.3

That's Terry Vertz, a retired NASA astronaut and the former commander of the International Space

1:32.8

Station. And I remember looking out and seeing this blue band of sun rise and it was like the most

1:40.4

beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. It was actually a shade of blue that I had never

1:44.2

seen before. It's hard to describe with words, but it's pretty awesome. And you're also in the

1:50.3

incredibly unusual position of being able to describe what it feels like and what it looks like to

1:55.2

look down on Earth at a time where there's a war going on. Because that's what happened to you in 2014

2:00.3

back when Crimea was being invaded. What does that look like from space? My last mission was right

2:06.0

in the middle of some really bad times between the West and Russia to say the least. I remember one

2:10.7

winter night in 2015 looking down through the Russian window in their service module with one of

2:16.8

the cosmonaut friends of mine who was there with me. Over Eastern Ukraine, you could see bombs going

2:22.0

off. They were like red flashes and it was so profound to be looking at people being killed on

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