Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am joined today by Khalid Beidun. He is Professor of Law at Wayne State University.

He's also the Associate Director of Civil Rights and Social Justice at the Damon Heath Center for Civil Rights.

He's the author of the book's American Islamophobia,

Understanding the Roots and Rise of Fear,

and most recently the New Crusades, Islamophobia,

and the Global War on Muslims.

President Badu, thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

So I was thinking about where we could begin, and it strikes me that your new book is

sort of an extension of what you wrote about in your first book.

Your first book focused on the United States.

Your second book expands to a global focus, but both books have at their core the American

global war on terror that began after September 11th, which I know was formative for you.

So I think a logical place to begin the conversation might be to take us back a little bit

to the what happened after September 11th, 2001, the climate, the experiences of American Muslims then.

Because one of the things that you do so well in these books is you take us beneath media

narratives to focus on the people whose lives are actually affected by the things that states do in the name of

combating terrorism and radicalization, right, but then it quotes. So yes, I think perhaps

we could start with the beginning of this thing called the Global War on Terror, the reverberations of which

are the subject of both books?

Yeah, I think that's a good sort of like summation of the thread between the two books,

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