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How the start of Trump’s second term looks like some autocracies

PBS News Hour - Segments

PBS NewsHour

Daily News, News

4.11K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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President Trump’s social media post over the weekend that implied he is above the law triggered alarm bells from experts who were already concerned about the legal and constitutional boundaries tested during his first few weeks in office. Kim Lane Scheppele, professor of sociology and international affairs at Princeton University, joins Amna Nawaz to discuss for our new series, "On Democracy." PBS News is supported by - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/about/funders

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0:00.0

President Trump's social media post over the weekend,

0:03.6

he who saves his country does not violate any law, implying that he is above the law,

0:09.9

triggered alarm bells from experts who were already concerned about the legal and constitutional boundaries

0:15.7

tested in President Trump's first few weeks in office.

0:19.2

Kim Lane Sheppily is the Lawrence S. Rockefeller

0:22.5

professor of sociology and international affairs at Princeton University. She studies the rise

0:28.1

and fall of democratic governments. Omna spoke with her earlier as part of our new series on democracy.

0:35.4

Kim Lane Sheppley, welcome back to the news hour. Thanks for being here.

0:38.8

Very nice to be here.

0:40.1

So many of President Trump's actions we've seen so far that are already being challenged

0:44.2

on the basis of their legality or constitutionality, these are things he promised to do,

0:48.9

said he would do as president.

0:51.1

He would say now this is what voters want him to do, and so he's doing it as fast as he can

0:55.4

through executive orders. How do you see it? Well, it's true. A lot of these are things he promised,

1:01.2

but democracy isn't just about getting elected and meeting promises. You have to fulfill the

1:06.8

promises if you're going to do them in the proper legal way. So what he's just been doing

1:12.6

is signing a lot of executive orders. And a lot of these executive orders directly conflict

1:17.6

laws passed by Congress. They directly conflict with constitutional provisions. And that's not the

1:24.8

way that you can do it. This is also a president who has praised strong men in other countries, authoritarian leaders

1:31.2

in other nations, people like Vladimir Putin, in Russia, Jaire Bolsonaro, in Brazil, Viktor

1:37.3

Orban, in Hungary.

1:39.3

As someone who has lived in both Russia and Hungary, are you seeing patterns here that mirror what you saw there?

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